Ginga confessions

[Gingaddict]

I also really want to see a GNG/GDW remake just for the sake of getting more of the series adapted in the future (since I highly doubt we will just get Orion after all these years).

Plus there's a lot of flaws in both the anime and manga I would like to see changed. I know people get nostalgic about the GNG anime specifically but there's a LOT to improve on. Especially that sexism issue.

That last part wouldn't be changed, because it also exists in comics. It's a huge part of Ginga.

Hey anime changes manga stuff all the time. If they can make Jerome die in the anime they can make the female characters actually do stuff.

Yeah, I wouldn't watch it if it was just page-for-page anime, I would rather have a totally new and improved uponn ideas than just the same thing. If you want the same thing, just read the manga. I do indeed believe if they were to adapt this manga, they would have to address the sexist thing and give their female characters something to do, because in this day and age, something like it would certainly not go unnoticed and social media would bash it for months!

Personally, I think they might do what most of them are doing these days... make characters who are meant to be male FEMALE!

[Wolpard]

That last part wouldn't be changed, because it also exists in comics. It's a huge part of Ginga.

Hey anime changes manga stuff all the time. If they can make Jerome die in the anime they can make the female characters actually do stuff.

Yeah, I wouldn't watch it if it was just page-for-page anime, I would rather have a totally new and improved uponn ideas than just the same thing. If you want the same thing, just read the manga. I do indeed believe if they were to adapt this manga, they would have to address the sexist thing and give their female characters something to do, because in this day and age, something like it would certainly not go unnoticed and social media would bash it for months!

Personally, I think they might do what most of them are doing these days... make characters who are meant to be male FEMALE!

Yessss, I would so be down for some beloved characters being turned female. Im sure it would piss some people off but I'd rather still have my favs around and have them gender swapped than cut out and replaced tbh.

Female John would be so cool

[Gingaddict]

I thought that the GDW anime was better than the manga. The manga just became a struggle after a while and I stopped enjoying it. The anime was just long enough, and while it was dumb and shallow it was still a lot of fun.

Me too!

From a pure story standpoint, the anime cut out so much useless and outright contrived stuff (like Gin and John being unaware of their body doubles or Tesshin never having seen the Battouga himself) while also adding some much needed scenes (like Kaibutsu attacking Ohu in the beginning instead of him being introduced right the hell out of nowhere after several pointless red herrings about the Paradise's troubled internal politics, the GNG flashback explaining Akakabuto's defeat and Gin's rise to leadership, and showing Hougen and Genba making the "when I die, I want to die by your fangs" pact instead of it just being vaguely alluded to) that it's a lot more interesting and easy to follow than the manga version.

By the time Gin was taken to Gajou they were almost entirely making the whole thing out of whole cloth and imho they did so beautifully. Him getting saved due to a daring rescue spearheaded by his son instead of being urged to get the hell out of there by the ghosts of John and Smith that are heavily implied to be his hallucinations and getting saved by a random truck driver whose relative happens to be a vet is a lot more heroic and less... random, to put it nicely. It even gave Toubei's already-awesome death scene even more weight, as he ended up sacrificing his life to ensure Gin's rescue rather than getting killed for some random kid whose only purpose in life was to show he's not evil anymore.

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE OLD OHU SOLDIERS RECLAIMING GAJOU INSTEAD OF IT GETTING BLOWN UP LIKE IT'S SUDDENLY A MICHAEL BAY MOVIE LIKE GOSH

I'm sorry I just really love how the GDW anime handled the story I could talk about it so much.

I completely agree, I got totally confused with the whole politics thing with Gajou, so glad that was completely cut! And Toube's death was much better in the anime while the manga, that pup didn't even do anything great or relevant afterwards, a complete waste of space! As for Gin's escape, I'm a bit torn on it, I would've liked to see Gin kick more ass in the anime but yeah, his escape in the manga is not really well put together.

Something else I like is Weed going rouge to avenge his dad, who he thought died. Despite all his preaching and maturity, even he cracked to try avenging him.

I definitely liked that, too, since it's one of the few times it actually shows Weed as human instead of the incorruptible paragon of goodness he's presented as 90% of the time.

Though I do feel like the timing could have been better - it literally happens in the same volume where he throws a tantrum over Jerome killing the hound spies and kicks him out of the pack. If there had been a bit more time between the two events, I feel it would have come off as less hypocritical on Weed's part.

Also that brings me to Jerome's exile, which I also feel was done much better in the anime - aside from it bringing closure to Lecter and Thunder's existence, the exile itself is treated with more gravity, and instead of Jerome and Weed reconciling within hours of their falling out Jerome chooses to honor Weed's orders and stick to the shadows with the Shikoku siblings, and in the end Jerome atones for his mistakes by saving Weed's life by sacrificing himself instead of just showing up and having Weed magically forgive him.

That's the whole reason I didn't like Weed going up against Murder S, the timing of it was way off and Weed is meant to be the dog who forgives and yet there, he goes crazy vengeance! I do also prefer the exile in the anime, Lector and Thunder are just so wasted in the manga, couldn't they have at least showed up near the end battle to aid Hougen or Sniper or just something? Anything! It also brings more debate to whether or not Weed was right to exile Jerome due to how bad Lector and Thunder were.

I think Unsai is ugly.

I do too, I think alot of the new dogs in GDWO are UGLY!

[Spirit Tree]

I have never been that much of a fan of Kyoushiro!

I’m putting this in a spoiler tab because this may be a long explanation.

SPOILER

Since he debuted in GDW, I’ve had just mixed feelings about him because there were times when he shows growth and loyalty and takes great action for justice and responsibility and all those good stuff, but there were also times when he acts immature, shows lack of discipline, acts a little out of character, and bitches about some things or situations.

It was good to see Kyoushiro fight against fathers for abusing their puppies. It was good for him to protect Teru and then forgive Teru’s father when he saw the change in him to protect his son with love before he died.

But while seeing all of that was good, it doesn’t ignore the fact that Kyoushiro was also hasty and rash in some situations that involved taking action. For example, he was willing to just barge into enemy territory or into a battle without a single clue of being a bad idea. This is the same guy who chased after Viktor blindly in the GDW Russian arc and nearly fell off a cliff and got himself killed.

I have not yet seen the GDW manga part where Kyoushiro tells Toube that he will grow up to be a mature dog. Atha told me on GDN spoiler thread that the part has not been translated yet. But looking at that part, one would think the Kyoushiro would indeed develop into a stronger character in maturity. Of course he showed signs of that throughout GDW. But the times where he didn’t just proves that Kyoushiro was not yet showing that much growth even after making that promise to Toube. He also whined when he had to watch from afar during a battle when ordered to not interfere while he wanted to join in. Overall, he was loyal and hotheaded at the same time.

But while he wasn’t that bad in GDW, Kyoushiro was pretty different from GDWO and onward. He almost didn’t give a shit when Orion was almost exiled. Kyoushiro was the same guy that stood up for puppies. And yet, he didn’t show any sympathy whatsoever for Orion.

Then in TLW, Kyoushiro grew even worse. He was even more hotheaded in TLW than what he was in GDW. He was always bitching with Orion and pretty much doubting him. In fact, how about talking shit at Orion and picking a fight with him like an idiot after Andy’s group and Rigel leave to go after Sirius because “what the fuck is reflection?” He didn’t even think smarter and ask about those departures. Overall, he was more hotheaded in TLW with all the bitching and lashing. How thoughtless.

You thought this was it? Oh no. Because then there is GDN. Oh boy...what the hell has Kyoushiro done with himself? The same guy who protected puppies from abusive adults is now doing the exact opposite when he attacks Hirota in frustration in Chapters 3 and 12. While he does show care for the puppy, he is mostly being an asshole to him. As a matter of fact, Kyoushiro, also known as Jyoushiro, decides to be a fucking dumbass and sexually harass Hirota by grabbing his testicles. Oh shit! That is just awful! And I thought Kyoushiro in TLW was worse. But he’s certainly still the same hotheaded dude from TLW and before. In fact, why not be a hotheaded dumbass in GDN Chapter 8 because “what the fuck is common sense?” Does he have no reconsideration on what he’s doing? Because Kyoushiro is just a really pain in the ass character now.

In the end, there are times when Kyoushiro is a good balanced character, but there are also times when he is being such a hotheaded pain in the ass. I am not a fan of him. Especially with what he is in TLW and what he is in GDN. I had mixed feelings about him in GDW. I actually liked him better in GDW. But after that, I’ve been disliking him. And until he finds a way to improve on his character, he gets no good feelings from me.

[Raki]

I thought that Bill was Sniper's father when I saw him first time in anime

[Dragon]

This might not be much of an unpopular 'confession', but I know some are against it xP
But my favorite arc of GDW is the Russian arc BECAUSE of how dark and detailed it is. I've been seeing/watching too many anime that are over the top in their sappiness and plot armored to the brim. Though plot armor is still something Ginga struggles with, I felt like it was a good balanced amount in this arc. The darkness we witness in the Russian arc was heartbreaking, immense, and lingered for such a long time. Ohu didn't win right away. They struggled and almost lost. The villains and their subordinates weren't pushovers or idiots and none of them wavered. There was real suspense and that's great.

[Kaiken]

This might not be much of an unpopular 'confession', but I know some are against it xP
But my favorite arc of GDW is the Russian arc BECAUSE of how dark and detailed it is. I've been seeing/watching too many anime that are over the top in their sappiness and plot armored to the brim. Though plot armor is still something Ginga struggles with, I felt like it was a good balanced amount in this arc. The darkness we witness in the Russian arc was heartbreaking, immense, and lingered for such a long time. Ohu didn't win right away. They struggled and almost lost. The villains and their subordinates weren't pushovers or idiots and none of them wavered. There was real suspense and that's great.

Exactly. AND Ohu opponents didn't outnumber them! The opposite actually. That's very new.

[Tsukitora]

I want to see Yoshi do some new wolf arc art soon or at least draw or bring in wolf characters. I know he’s not fond of the wolf arc but I’d really like to see what wolves would look like in his current art style.

I also wish he’d remember Fuji and do something of her in current style, as he hasn’t before and it would be fun to see how he designs her as we never got a quality colored manga picture with her either.

[Kaiken]

I want to see Yoshi do some new wolf arc art soon or at least draw or bring in wolf characters. I know he’s not fond of the wolf arc but I’d really like to see what wolves would look like in his current art style.

Exactly! I want to know what happened of Hyouma and others. Also, the characters learned some impressive wolf moves. I would have loved to see them use those in GDN. They themselves even said that they would use them to make sure each wolf's legacy would not be forgotten.

[Sat_Cab]

I want to see Yoshi do some new wolf arc art soon or at least draw or bring in wolf characters. I know he’s not fond of the wolf arc but I’d really like to see what wolves would look like in his current art style.

Exactly! I want to know what happened of Hyouma and others. Also, the characters learned some impressive wolf moves. I would have loved to see them use those in GDN. They themselves even said that they would use them to make sure each wolf's legacy would not be forgotten.

Has Yoshi publicly stated his dislike of the wolf arc? If so, does there exist a source of him making such statements? Or did he decide to silently retcon it and just pretend it never happened?

[Gingaddict]

I want to see Yoshi do some new wolf arc art soon or at least draw or bring in wolf characters. I know he’s not fond of the wolf arc but I’d really like to see what wolves would look like in his current art style.

Exactly! I want to know what happened of Hyouma and others. Also, the characters learned some impressive wolf moves. I would have loved to see them use those in GDN. They themselves even said that they would use them to make sure each wolf's legacy would not be forgotten.

Has Yoshi publicly stated his dislike of the wolf arc? If so, does there exist a source of him making such statements? Or did he decide to silently retcon it and just pretend it never happened?

Though I don't know exactly where the Information on that came from but Yoshi has said he didn't like the Wolf arc and wanted to end it with the big battle against Akakabuto and even said a similar thing about the Monkey Arc in GDW, I don't think he like it either but I did like it and the wolf acr though only some small details I think could've been altered like the magic and multiple headed dragon element.

[Sat_Cab]

Exactly! I want to know what happened of Hyouma and others. Also, the characters learned some impressive wolf moves. I would have loved to see them use those in GDN. They themselves even said that they would use them to make sure each wolf's legacy would not be forgotten.

Has Yoshi publicly stated his dislike of the wolf arc? If so, does there exist a source of him making such statements? Or did he decide to silently retcon it and just pretend it never happened?

Though I don't know exactly where the Information on that came from but Yoshi has said he didn't like the Wolf arc and wanted to end it with the big battle against Akakabuto and even said a similar thing about the Monkey Arc in GDW, I don't think he like it either but I did like it and the wolf acr though only some small details I think could've been altered like the magic and multiple headed dragon element.

To me the wolf arc appeared to be a rushed. At some points new plot details were haphazardly added, as if he thought of them last minute, like the existence of the empire them invading the moment after they're revealed. (Also, there was a character named Thunder Wolf- I sure wonder for how many months Yoshi was scratching his head coming up with that name). I presume he dislikes the wolf arc because he may (rightfully) think he sloppily executed it.

Did he give any reasoning for disliking the monkey arc? It doesn't appear to be rushed nor does it seem to be executed worse than other GDW arcs. (Admittedly however, I only read the monkey, Russian, and the first chapters of the hybrid arc- I am at high risk to being oblivious to the quality drop off at the end of the Hougen arc, if it exists).

[Dragon]

Did he give any reasoning for disliking the monkey arc? It doesn't appear to be rushed nor does it seem to be executed worse than other GDW arcs. (Admittedly however, I only read the monkey, Russian, and the first chapters of the hybrid arc- I am at high risk to being oblivious to the quality drop off at the end of the Hougen arc, if it exists).

Im not sure if he actually hated the monkey arc, but I can believe him wanting to end it at Hougen arc and then got the news he has to continue cause of GDW's success. Something that comes to mind is how the Hougen arc had a clear path, characters who had issues had their problems solved by the end of it. Everyone stayed in character.

Then we go to the Monkey and Russian arc where Kyoshiro's strange behavior becomes a bit more noticeable. Hiro's attitude changes from calm big tough guy to angry big tough guy. The monkey arc starts with Joe being designed one way and the kids acting one way as babies, then changing by the end of it. The russian arc felt like Yoshi had ideas again and staying consistent as well, but then in Joe's arc, it gets repetitive and bored-feeling as Yoshi just throws in more bears to be bigger and badder than the last.

Some think GDWO isnt as well written but personally, I think it stayed pretty consistently good and not too dragging-its-feet like. TLW and GDN does feel that way sadly u_u characters are pushed to the background and no one really has anything going on anymore. Very depressing

[Sat_Cab]

Did he give any reasoning for disliking the monkey arc? It doesn't appear to be rushed nor does it seem to be executed worse than other GDW arcs. (Admittedly however, I only read the monkey, Russian, and the first chapters of the hybrid arc- I am at high risk to being oblivious to the quality drop off at the end of the Hougen arc, if it exists).

TLW and GDN does feel that way sadly u_u characters are pushed to the background and no one really has anything going on anymore. Very depressing

Perhaps that's him overcompensating in his attempt to avoid the mistake he made in the wolf arc of cramming about half a dozen new characters in every new chapter?

[Digsu]

To me the wolf arc appeared to be a rushed. At some points new plot details were haphazardly added, as if he thought of them last minute, like the existence of the empire them invading the moment after they're revealed. (Also, there was a character named Thunder Wolf- I sure wonder for how many months Yoshi was scratching his head coming up with that name). I presume he dislikes the wolf arc because he may (rightfully) think he sloppily executed it.

Did he give any reasoning for disliking the monkey arc? It doesn't appear to be rushed nor does it seem to be executed worse than other GDW arcs. (Admittedly however, I only read the monkey, Russian, and the first chapters of the hybrid arc- I am at high risk to being oblivious to the quality drop off at the end of the Hougen arc, if it exists).

He mentioned not liking the wolf and monkey arcs in some interviews he did years ago. The old board has them archived here.

Q: How much did the publisher affect in the wolf saga?
A: After Akakabuto's defeat I was exhausted. I was told to keep on drawing, and I didn't have a clue what to do, and someone suggested wolves. Actually, after Akakabuto was defeated the publisher suggested a new enemy; Aokabuto. I told them that I wouldn't draw it.

Q: Why did the wolves drop out of the story?
A: I think the wolves should had never appeared in the series. I did not like them, and the arc wasn't as popular as the Akakabuto arc.

Q: Has there been any event in your series that you regret?
A: Yes, there has. The ape arc was one, for example. If the story had been all about the apes the story wouldn't have made any sense. That's why I put Yukimura in there to switch the focus of that arc.

[Sat_Cab]

To me the wolf arc appeared to be a rushed. At some points new plot details were haphazardly added, as if he thought of them last minute, like the existence of the empire them invading the moment after they're revealed. (Also, there was a character named Thunder Wolf- I sure wonder for how many months Yoshi was scratching his head coming up with that name). I presume he dislikes the wolf arc because he may (rightfully) think he sloppily executed it.

Did he give any reasoning for disliking the monkey arc? It doesn't appear to be rushed nor does it seem to be executed worse than other GDW arcs. (Admittedly however, I only read the monkey, Russian, and the first chapters of the hybrid arc- I am at high risk to being oblivious to the quality drop off at the end of the Hougen arc, if it exists).

He mentioned not liking the wolf and monkey arcs in some interviews he did years ago. The old board has them archived here.

Q: How much did the publisher affect in the wolf saga?
A: After Akakabuto's defeat I was exhausted. I was told to keep on drawing, and I didn't have a clue what to do, and someone suggested wolves. Actually, after Akakabuto was defeated the publisher suggested a new enemy; Aokabuto. I told them that I wouldn't draw it.

Q: Why did the wolves drop out of the story?
A: I think the wolves should had never appeared in the series. I did not like them, and the arc wasn't as popular as the Akakabuto arc.

Q: Has there been any event in your series that you regret?
A: Yes, there has. The ape arc was one, for example. If the story had been all about the apes the story wouldn't have made any sense. That's why I put Yukimura in there to switch the focus of that arc.

I see. I erroneously assumed the wolf arc was the result of Yoshi's own misjudgment. Overhead pressure from higher-ups to produce for the sake of producing explains everything- from the compressed plot to the sudden jolts in story direction. Looks like this is yet another example for why profit-driven management should keep their hands off of the creative process of artists.

[Kasi]

I like some of the characters, but the story for GNG is really weak for me. The beginning is better, the ending is ok, in between is just repetitive collection of dogs with every fight that occurs ends up being a misunderstanding.

[Rals]

Tbh, if not Gingaboard then any affection and thoughts I generally had on the series would have faded into nothingness. It - like things like Naruto and Innocent Venus - would just be that dog anime that I really liked when I was a teenager. Something that I no longer wish to revisit and something that I hold no strong feelings, not even nostalgic warmth.

As of posting, I will have been on GB for 11 years. Nearly 12. I've never stayed on any forum for that long. And in staying here, it's kept the Ginga fires burning in my heart. Even if they're more like a glowing ember these days.

[Gingaddict]

Here's a confession for you - I HATE SASUKE!

I find him to be a very clumsy character who always gets into trouble and does things wrong. Also they constantly tease him for jokes but there's been scenes that show that this teasing actually effects him emotionally so why write these things in the first place? Like when he fell in love with Chako and Kyoshiro and GB mock him for it, did they welcome him back with open arms? No!

Also I have never really forgiven him for what he did with Weed's pups, if he had not left them in that shed by themselves, they never would've been separated or injured. Seriously, we never see him show any remorse or apology for this!! Also, he's not good at fighting and yet he's always in a battle scene?

The worst part I have to say is his toilet humour, it's just so utterly disgusting! Even a Adam Sandler movie ain't that ugly!

[Kaiken]

Here's a confession for you - I HATE SASUKE!

I find him to be a very clumsy character who always gets into trouble and does things wrong. Also they constantly tease him for jokes but there's been scenes that show that this teasing actually effects him emotionally so why write these things in the first place? Like when he fell in love with Chako and Kyoshiro and GB mock him for it, did they welcome him back with open arms? No!

Also I have never really forgiven him for what he did with Weed's pups, if he had not left them in that shed by themselves, they never would've been separated or injured. Seriously, we never see him show any remorse or apology for this!! Also, he's not good at fighting and yet he's always in a battle scene?

The worst part I have to say is his toilet humour, it's just so utterly disgusting! Even a Adam Sandler movie ain't that ugly!

Agreed. While there are worse characters than him, and he's more like goofy old pops, I still don't like any of that. I don't want him in comic! Dx